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> <channel><title>Comments on: Yahoo Reinvents An Old Wheel: Paid Inclusion Gets a Facelift</title> <atom:link href="http://www.stepforth.com/blog/2007/yahoo-reinvents-an-old-wheel-paid-inclusion-gets-a-facelift/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.stepforth.com/blog/2007/yahoo-reinvents-an-old-wheel-paid-inclusion-gets-a-facelift/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:06:33 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.stepforth.com/blog/2007/yahoo-reinvents-an-old-wheel-paid-inclusion-gets-a-facelift/comment-page-1/#comment-1897</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dev.stepforth.com/blog/yahoo-reinvents-an-old-wheel-paid-inclusion-gets-a-facelift.php#comment-1897</guid> <description>Jim I agree with you somewhat, but at least Yahoo has SOME way of including a site.  Ask has a TERRIBLE index.  You offer absolutely no way for quality sites to get indexed.  No one wonders if you&#039;re &quot;gaming it&quot; because you&#039;re not even in the &quot;game&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim I agree with you somewhat, but at least Yahoo has SOME way of including a site.  Ask has a TERRIBLE index.  You offer absolutely no way for quality sites to get indexed.  No one wonders if you&#8217;re &#8220;gaming it&#8221; because you&#8217;re not even in the &#8220;game&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim Lanzone, CEO</title><link>http://www.stepforth.com/blog/2007/yahoo-reinvents-an-old-wheel-paid-inclusion-gets-a-facelift/comment-page-1/#comment-1896</link> <dc:creator>Jim Lanzone, CEO</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dev.stepforth.com/blog/yahoo-reinvents-an-old-wheel-paid-inclusion-gets-a-facelift.php#comment-1896</guid> <description>Hi Ross.  Just came across this today on Bloglines.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Three years later, I&#039;m still against paid inclusion, because I still think it is hypocritical to charge for something we need to do anyway to be the best search service we can be. I also think it&#039;s a dis-service to our users to blur the line that much between paid content and editorial content.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;Welcome to capitalism&quot;, Jeremy Zawodny once said in a post called &quot;Defending Paid Inclusion.&quot;  Yes, Yahoo can do what they want, they’re probably not skewing the results, and even if they did, most people probably wouldn&#039;t notice or care. Furthermore, since sites are paying a flat fee with the &quot;Basic&quot; version of Yahoo&#039;s Paid Inclusion program, there is no incentive in those instances for Yahoo to increase traffic to submitted URLs.  (Except, I suppose, to encourage renewals.  One can assume you wouldn&#039;t renew if you didn&#039;t see any traffic from this.) &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the other hand, with Yahoo&#039;s &quot;Pro&quot; version of Paid Inclusion, the pricing model is cost-per-click (http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srchsb/ssp_pr.php).  In these cases, Yahoo only makes money if a URL gets traffic.  What are the odds that out of 2 million results for a given query, their partner sites will be ranked highly enough, consistently enough, on their own to: a) generate enough traffic for the partner site to make it worth participating in the program; and b) generate enough revenue for Yahoo to make it worth operating the program?  I don&#039;t know, and I&#039;m not accusing Yahoo of anything.  I just know that 75% of the clicks on a major search engine typically go into the top 5 results on the page.  It would just be too much of a coincidence if paid (and unmarked) partners got those rankings/clicks instead of non-paying sites.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d rather not have anyone wondering if we&#039;re gaming it.  So Paid Inclusion is just not on the table for Ask.com.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-- Jim</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ross.  Just came across this today on Bloglines.</p><p>Three years later, I&#8217;m still against paid inclusion, because I still think it is hypocritical to charge for something we need to do anyway to be the best search service we can be. I also think it&#8217;s a dis-service to our users to blur the line that much between paid content and editorial content.</p><p>&#8220;Welcome to capitalism&#8221;, Jeremy Zawodny once said in a post called &#8220;Defending Paid Inclusion.&#8221;  Yes, Yahoo can do what they want, they’re probably not skewing the results, and even if they did, most people probably wouldn&#8217;t notice or care. Furthermore, since sites are paying a flat fee with the &#8220;Basic&#8221; version of Yahoo&#8217;s Paid Inclusion program, there is no incentive in those instances for Yahoo to increase traffic to submitted URLs.  (Except, I suppose, to encourage renewals.  One can assume you wouldn&#8217;t renew if you didn&#8217;t see any traffic from this.)</p><p>On the other hand, with Yahoo&#8217;s &#8220;Pro&#8221; version of Paid Inclusion, the pricing model is cost-per-click (<a
href="http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srchsb/ssp_pr.php" rel="nofollow">http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srchsb/ssp_pr.php</a>).  In these cases, Yahoo only makes money if a URL gets traffic.  What are the odds that out of 2 million results for a given query, their partner sites will be ranked highly enough, consistently enough, on their own to: a) generate enough traffic for the partner site to make it worth participating in the program; and b) generate enough revenue for Yahoo to make it worth operating the program?  I don&#8217;t know, and I&#8217;m not accusing Yahoo of anything.  I just know that 75% of the clicks on a major search engine typically go into the top 5 results on the page.  It would just be too much of a coincidence if paid (and unmarked) partners got those rankings/clicks instead of non-paying sites.</p><p>I&#8217;d rather not have anyone wondering if we&#8217;re gaming it.  So Paid Inclusion is just not on the table for Ask.com.</p><p>&#8211; Jim</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rustybrick</title><link>http://www.stepforth.com/blog/2007/yahoo-reinvents-an-old-wheel-paid-inclusion-gets-a-facelift/comment-page-1/#comment-1895</link> <dc:creator>rustybrick</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://dev.stepforth.com/blog/yahoo-reinvents-an-old-wheel-paid-inclusion-gets-a-facelift.php#comment-1895</guid> <description>Nice find. :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice find. <img
src='http://cdn.stepforth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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